wrong Latitude when exporting WP's from TTQV 2.5 in PCX5 for

  • Hi, I have an old version TTQV 2.5 running on Windows XP that I did not used since several years.
    I'm curently preparing with TTQV 2.5 an off-road trip to south-Morocco with Maps en PNG format 1/250'000 provided with corresponding CAL files.


    The PCX5 file produced by TTQV 2.5 have slight differences (0.01%) for the Latitude (Longitude is 100% OK). Example in format DD.DDDDD)
    Latitude of WP displayed in TTQV 2.5: 30.23212
    Latitude of WP produced in PCX5 file: 30.2438545 (Diff. = +0.01%)


    Thanks for your assistance to provide explanation and how to fix this mistake. Did I miss some settings or used wrong parameters ?
    with kind regards, Tatchin from Switzerland


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  • Hi,


    possibly/probably the PCX5 is WGS84 and your map display is set to an
    other map-datum?

    Gruß Jockel (QV-Admin)
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  • Thanks jockel for your quick reply. The PCX5 file exported from TTQV 2.5 has Datum = WGS84 (for GPS device).


    The 1/250'000 Mapf of Morocco is a QV Map with Calibration Parameters:
    datum1 = 10 = Clarke 1880# 6378249.145# 293.465# 0# 0# 0#
    datum2 = 10 =
    (remaining parameters are listed at the end of this message)
    Questions: 1) does this mean that the CAL file provided for thi QV Map is not 100% accurate and that I have to re-Calibrate the Map in TTQV as explained in TTQV User Manual ?
    2) or do you have a quick way / walkaround to adjust the Map Calibration data in order to have those compatible with WGS84 ?
    2) could you indicate a document / tutorial explaining the bas + principles of Map Calibration ?
    Thanks again for your support and quick replies. Kind rgds, Tatchin


    Below the emaining parameters of the QV Map: Morocco / Ouarzazate:
    map_idx = 4 = 41
    name = 10 = Ouarzazat
    mapno = 10 = NH-29-6
    fname = 10 = Ouarzazat.PNG
    fpath = 10 = C:\WINDOWS\Bureau\maroc\Cartes\
    cdlabel = 10 = Marokko_250
    del = 1 = 0
    nord = 6 = 31.04712
    sued = 6 = 29.95329
    ost = 6 = -5.955191
    west = 6 = -7.557482
    scale_map = 6 = 250000
    scale_area = 6 = 9.595773E-08
    info = 12 =
    map_w = 4 = 0
    map_h = 4 = 0
    proj_mode = 10 = proj
    projparams = 10 = proj=utm lon_0=-9 lat_1=28 lat_2=27
    map_datum = 3 = 0
    deltax = 6 = 0
    deltay = 6 = 0
    utm_zone = 2 = 0
    utm_letter = 10 =
    res1 = 10 =
    res2 = 10 =
    res3 = 10 =
    grid1 = 10 =
    grid2 = 10 =
    datum1 = 10 = Clarke 1880# 6378249.145# 293.465# 0# 0# 0#
    datum2 = 10 =
    settings_distance = 2 = 0
    settings_unit = 2 = 0
    lastwlat = 7 = 30.497539
    lastwlon = 7 = -6.756324
    c1_x = 7 = 171
    c1_y = 7 = 137
    c2_x = 7 = 4670
    c2_y = 7 = 165

  • Hi,

    Zitat von "tatchin"

    ...The 1/250'000 Mapf of Morocco is a QV Map with Calibration Parameters:
    datum1 = 10 = Clarke 1880# 6378249.145# 293.465# 0# 0# 0#...


    - to the best of my knowledge the map datum "Clarke" is wrong for these
    maps, the right map datum is "Merchich", provided, these maps are
    older french IGN maps as provided by DAERR.
    - the company "DAERR" who is the producer of this mapset published
    replacement *.cal files for these maps. But I do not know, whether
    TTQV2.5 will read these *.cal files properly:
    http://bb.ttqv.com/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=14368


    If you do any tries with these new cal files, first save the old calibration
    files, just in case something goes wrong.


    Zitat

    ... 2) or do you have a quick way / walkaround to adjust the Map Calibration data ...


    Rightclick on a map in QV-Xplorer, recalibrate, set map Datum to
    Merchich, save. Once you are done, to write respective *.cal files,
    select all maps in QV-Xplorer, rightclick, "export map calibration.


    Zitat

    ... in order to have those compatible with WGS84 ?...


    No, this is not the way it works. Every map must be calibrated using the
    proper map Datum as used with the grid printed on the map.


    Storage of calibration and whatever other position data inside TTQV,
    transfer of points to GPS devices.... always happens in lat/lon WGS84.
    What you see on screen, whether this is TTQV or any GPS device when
    using an other map datum, is nothing but a recalculation of intenally
    stored WGS84 data.


    I.e. you see lat/lon-merchich in TTQV(unless you manually switch to any
    other map datum) and on transfer to whatever devices, these position
    data are always sent as WGS84. This is the reason why watching a
    position in Datum Merchich has other digits then the same position in
    WGS84. But the position on earth always remains the same.

    Gruß Jockel (QV-Admin)
    Angefragte Daten für Supportfälle bitte schicken an info/at/quovadis-gps.com unter Bezugnahme (link) auf diesen thread, Danke!

  • Many Thanks again Jockel for your quick reply.
    I downloaded the new CAL files provided by DAERR with Datum = Merchich and made a test with Map Ouarzazate: there are still ~0.01% differences in Latitude and same in Longitude.


    I than tried several different Datum resulting in more or less difference.


    Finally I re-calîbrated the Map manually and set the Datum = WGS84:
    I compared the WP's displayed in TTQV and those produced in the exported PCX5 file and those are almost 100% identical = OK.


    Question: do you think this approach by setting Datum = WGS84 is OK (except the fact that I'll have to re-calibrate each Map manually)
    or do you think this might create other unexpected problems / errors (i.e. that the WP's created in TTQV and downloaded to GPS are the same, but having discrepancies when navigating live in Morocco) ?


    Thanks again for your feed-back / advice and kind regards, Tatchin

  • Hi,

    Zitat von "tatchin"

    ... Question: do you think this approach by setting Datum = WGS84 is OK (except the fact that I'll have to re-calibrate each Map manually)
    or do you think this might create other unexpected problems / errors (i.e. that the WP's created in TTQV and downloaded to GPS are the same, but having discrepancies when navigating live in Morocco) ?...


    Exactly, what you did is completely wrong and will give you wrong actual
    positions in Morocco by several hundred meters. You can not simply decide
    to calibrate a map using the given "Merchich Grid" as WGS84.


    There is absolutely no need to try to match the lat/lon figures in TTQV
    and in these *.pcx5 files. They have to be different, because the PCX5
    shows WGS84 and TTQV shows clarke, respectively Merchich, which is
    the correct map datum and absolutely o.k.!

    Gruß Jockel (QV-Admin)
    Angefragte Daten für Supportfälle bitte schicken an info/at/quovadis-gps.com unter Bezugnahme (link) auf diesen thread, Danke!

  • OK Jockel, and Thanks again for your reply and recomendations.


    I'll proceed as you adviced in your 2nd reply and re-Calibrate the Morocco Map using MERCHICH Datum as recomended by DAERR.


    I'll do some live check in Morocco and provide you with feed-back.


    I wish you a nice week-end and kind regards, Tatchin

  • Hi,


    create a route, export it as a pcx5 file and send it to me. I will then
    check whether it is o.k.!


    Beside that, have a nice trip :-)

    Gruß Jockel (QV-Admin)
    Angefragte Daten für Supportfälle bitte schicken an info/at/quovadis-gps.com unter Bezugnahme (link) auf diesen thread, Danke!